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Comments on: Kindness and honesty: Can we have one without the other? https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/ Meg-John Barker's website Fri, 17 Aug 2018 06:03:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.4 By: Kindness and honesty – Your Success 101 https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-11756 Fri, 17 Aug 2018 06:03:19 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-11756 […] I read an excellent article by Meg-John Barker, about kindness and honesty – it’s over here https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-t… and it has got me thinking about how we frame honesty in the normal scheme of […]

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By: Jo https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-6795 Fri, 17 Nov 2017 11:30:38 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-6795 Do I love someone enough to be truthful with them? If I love them enough to be honest (which I personally find quite difficult sometimes) then I hope they already know, because of my other actions, that I love them enough to then not walk away even if I take a little time out.

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By: Vesela https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-6746 Mon, 13 Nov 2017 22:31:34 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-6746 A truly enlightening article! Thank you! I feel like I want to be a better person already.

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By: Alison https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-168 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:51:10 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-168 In reply to socscicymru.

I think there may be a subtle difference between tempering honesty with kindness and informing honesty with kindness. The former, like you say, turns out to be kindness trumping honesty in the end. But the latter alters the initial appearance of the honesty, like when we rehumanise the other person/people we take the edge off our criticism of them, and when we rehumanise ourselves we remind ourselves of our role in co-creating the relationship issue hence re-shaping the honesty. It’s hard to explain but I guess I’m trying to say being kin-and-honest is alot more demanding than just being what we might at first glance think is honest. Sorry this probably isn’t clear at all!!

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By: megbarkerpsych https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-167 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 19:26:19 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-167 In reply to socscicymru.

Thanks for that. I think you are right that there is a real risk that compassion trumps honesty. I hoped perhaps that this more intertwined way of seeing them might help prevent that but it’s definitely worth keeping mindful of.

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By: Alison https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-166 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 18:21:53 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-166 Thanks Meg – lots to think about!

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By: socscicymru https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-165 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 16:59:11 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-165 I can see that you can’t be kind without honesty, but I’m not sure about honesty requiring compassion. Sometimes being honest means not being compassionate. If we try to temper our honesty with compassion the surely we end up not being honest. I think this might put too much of a burden on being honest, such that compassion will always trump honesty. Which, on reflection, might not be such a bad thing.

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By: megbarkerpsych https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-164 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:21:11 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-164 In reply to Alison.

You raise an excellent question Alison – exactly the same one that I’ve been pondering myself since writing this in fact. It relates to another post that I want to do about how we balance believing/trusting people and treating them as sensible and explicable, whilst not being drawn into problematic ways of seeing things that come out of their struggling.
My experience is that generally if one person is able to be kind-and-honest with the other that frequently enables the other person/people to meet them there (although it can take time to get there if the other person/people are in a very vulnerable place, and – of course – it can work the other way that the stress of the situation takes us away from being in that kind-and-honest state).
I’m thinking that perhaps an ideal would be that – if we pick up on the fact that either we, or the other person, is not in a good place to engage kindly-and-honestly – that would be a good time to take some time away, alone or with supportive others, getting ourselves back into that state in order to engage well. However, in reality, it very rarely seems to work that way. Rather we tend to bash up against each other until one or more people do find their way to a more kind-and-honest place, perhaps because we finally see the vulnerability of the other, or the absurdity of the situation, and that punches a hole through the whole thing.
And perhaps that is okay and part of accepting that we are human and imperfect.
I think sometimes it probably is important to say to the other person that you don’t want to engage when they are in the place they’re in (because they seem to be finding it hard to hear you, for example). But it is also important to watch out – as you say – that we’re not taking the moral high ground imagining that we’re so much better at these things than they are. It is times like that that I find that I am most likely to fall on my face!

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By: Alison https://www.rewriting-the-rules.com/conflict-break-up/kindness-and-honesty-can-we-have-one-without-the-other/#comment-163 Tue, 03 Sep 2013 15:04:35 +0000 http://rewritingtherules.wordpress.com/?p=846#comment-163 What if you try to be honest in a compassionate way and you take responsibility for your contribution to the conflict but the person remains too hurt to engage with the not so nice aspects of what they bring to the situation while picking up on your self-appointed imperfection to blame and justify? If you really feel you’ve done all you can do but that it hasn’t helped much, is it not better to resort to kindness sacrificing honesty, but knowingly doing so and actively finding some other way to manage your frustration with that person to avoid mistreating them? Or is that just having a pompous sense of superiority over that person when it comes to handling conflict?!

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